05-30-2025, 06:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-30-2025, 07:03 AM by NobodySpecial268.
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The subject of shared interactive dreamscapes ties in with Lucid Dreaming (LD), and the alien abduction scenario. It also helps us understand the worlds of Carlos Castenada and Terence McKenna. So we shall go into these things here on MPP. ATS had a policy where drug related topics were forbidden. Mentioning the L, the S, and the D was grounds for getting banned. Presumably so ATS didn't fill with recipes and laboratory instructions. However sensible that may be, the policy had the effect of stifling intelligent conversations upon the subject of altered consciousness.
That said, my own view is our consciousness doesn't actually need the shortcuts of hallucinogens to altered states. The reason is the body knows how to dream instinctively. There is also the concern that artificially altered states last for a certain amount of time, and one can't suddenly change one's mind partway into a four hour "trip".
Nevertheless, the insights of people such as Castenada and McKenna are valuable, especially when it comes to altered states. Perhaps the most useful and mysterious of altered states is, one might say, right under our noses, and that is dreaming. After all, we do it every night of our lives. This is in keeping with the philosophy of having everything we need in life to explore consciousness.
That may sound very mundane, yet as we shall find out, what we are looking at with altered states is the ability to dream whilst awake. Be it by means of hallucinogens or self-discipline and a lot of hard work.
We shall leave LD'ing per se to Ksihkehe's thread Consciousness studies 3 - Lucid dreaming. LD'ing is dreaming whilst asleep, and the out-of-body experience. LD'ing by the way has a lot to do with Remote Viewing (RV). At least from listening to RV'ers such as Joe McMoneagle and from what is written by the Monroe Institute.
So in this light, we can see a simple difference between asleep and awake.
That said, my own view is our consciousness doesn't actually need the shortcuts of hallucinogens to altered states. The reason is the body knows how to dream instinctively. There is also the concern that artificially altered states last for a certain amount of time, and one can't suddenly change one's mind partway into a four hour "trip".
Nevertheless, the insights of people such as Castenada and McKenna are valuable, especially when it comes to altered states. Perhaps the most useful and mysterious of altered states is, one might say, right under our noses, and that is dreaming. After all, we do it every night of our lives. This is in keeping with the philosophy of having everything we need in life to explore consciousness.
That may sound very mundane, yet as we shall find out, what we are looking at with altered states is the ability to dream whilst awake. Be it by means of hallucinogens or self-discipline and a lot of hard work.
We shall leave LD'ing per se to Ksihkehe's thread Consciousness studies 3 - Lucid dreaming. LD'ing is dreaming whilst asleep, and the out-of-body experience. LD'ing by the way has a lot to do with Remote Viewing (RV). At least from listening to RV'ers such as Joe McMoneagle and from what is written by the Monroe Institute.
So in this light, we can see a simple difference between asleep and awake.
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"Being well adjusted to a sick society is not an indication of health." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti.
"Being well adjusted to a sick society is not an indication of health." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti.