(10-02-2025, 03:48 PM)Chiefsmom Wrote: I received it via email.   I'll PM You.  Oh, but the part where I said "a PM I recieved back said it was blocked out with *****  That was from the member I tried to send the link to.

It's the combination of what the email you forwarded to me said and what the other member said that reveals how deeply the private messages on DI are compromised. There is surveillance of private messages and some list of triggers for logging your messages, that are also censored automatically, that nobody has been allowed to know about.

The claim in that email is that the "senior staff" agreed that your first offense violating a rule you didn't even know about was so egregious that it should result in a permaban. This is while gross and dehumanizing insults directed at whole groups of other members are not removed from the public portion of the site and several agenda posters that exclusively post their bullshit activism are constantly derailing topics with no repercussions. I wonder if TSK isn't just throwing "senior staff" under the bus at this point. Maybe he believes the culture of secrecy will stop anyone from asking "senior staff" if they know about and approve of this surveillance via secret logs of private messages. I KNOW the shit that some of the people considered valued members of DI were allowed to get away with on ATS... over and over... and it was lot worse and lot more intentional than sharing a link to another forum.

Outside recruitment was always against the rules on ATS - except when an executive decision was made by staff to allow advertising for DI. It was a perfectly reasonable thing to allow because ATS was failing. Then, when TSK made an ass of himself and this site was created as an alternative to DI, the same staff decided it was against the rules again to promote other sites on ATS. That was not a reasonable thing to do, to pick winners and losers and to take away a choice from members. Worse, members were not even allowed to know there was a choice. Now the "winner" they picked thinks he's Mark Zuckerberg and is censoring private messages in real time, while secretly logging it and discussing the content of private messages with staff. This is alarming considering he has a history of doxing people and sharing private conversations he's had for personal benefit.

Secret surveillance and logs of private messages is a pretty big fucking deal... were people told that this was happening? On ATS it was always made very clear that there was no access to your private messages. Was it hidden in the disclosures on DI? Is secret censorship and logging of private communications what the "ATS legacy" is about now?

Just a few weeks ago I said that normal users probably don't have anything to worry about as far as TSK abusing access to your data on DI, but I had NO idea about this.

(10-02-2025, 08:39 PM)Ksihkehe Wrote: It's the combination of what the email you forwarded to me said and what the other member said that reveals how deeply private messages on DI are compromised. There is surveillance of private messages and some list of triggers for logging your messages, that are also censored automatically, that nobody has been allowed to know about.

Secret surveillance and logs of private messages is a pretty big fucking deal... were people told that this was happening? On ATS it was always made very clear that there was no access to your private messages. Was it hidden in the disclosures on DI? Is secret censorship and logging of private communications what the "ATS legacy" is about now?

Reading along here, and reflecting on my own experience on that other forum, I am wondering if it is possible for an AI to be implemented as an artificial moderator to run a forum. That other forum would be the perfect test bed for such a program. One could say to people that staff don't have access to PMs, while not mentioning the moderator version of an algorithm does.

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ETA: I wonder. In the true conspiracy fashion, imagine if the Artificial Moderator (AM) was implemented on ATS to compile member profiles from posting history.

In the end, ATS was so beset with problems that it might not be the perfect place for developing the AM. So build a new forum, and migrate the old 'clean' membership to the new one.

I got literally banned lol. I pointed out that someone has been plagiarizing artwork (among other things) for YEARS both on ATS and DI. The person doing the plagiarizing ran a narcissistic smear campaign against me full of lies, claiming that I contacted their mother and son and threatened them?

How sad is that? This person's ego was so injured by me exposing just a tiny piece of the web of lies they live in and went on full out smear campaign mode to silence me and get me banned!

Then the owner said they were gonna call the cops on me! For threatening them and acted like they doxxed me but failed and apparently think I'm some person from Texas, just confidently calling me by the wrong name saying they were gonna call the cops on me for threatening this person.



So I said call the cops then. The plagiarist is lying. I never did anything of the sort and guess what?! Even though I legit BEGGED them to call the cops, they wouldn't of course because then the pathetic lies of the plagiarizing narcissist will be revealed. Can't have that.

So here I am! Where can I donate to this site?! I need to support this site. As long as I don't get banned because of baseless lies.

(10-03-2025, 03:14 AM)Yetigirl Wrote: I got literally banned lol.
So here I am! Where can I donate to this site?! I need to support this site. As long as I don't get banned because of baseless lies.

G'day Yetigirl, welcome to CA, and our prestigious club of the banished from elsewhere. : )

(10-03-2025, 03:14 AM)Yetigirl Wrote: I got literally banned lol. I pointed out that someone has been plagiarizing artwork (among other things) for YEARS both on ATS and DI. The person doing the plagiarizing ran a narcissistic smear campaign against me full of lies, claiming that I contacted their mother and son and threatened them?

How sad is that? This person's ego was so injured by me exposing just a tiny piece of the web of lies they live in and went on full out smear campaign mode to silence me and get me banned!

Then the owner said they were gonna call the cops on me! For threatening them and acted like they doxxed me but failed and apparently think I'm some person from Texas, just confidently calling me by the wrong name saying they were gonna call the cops on me for threatening this person.



So I said call the cops then. The plagiarist is lying. I never did anything of the sort and guess what?! Even though I legit BEGGED them to call the cops, they wouldn't of course because then the pathetic lies of the plagiarizing narcissist will be revealed. Can't have that.

So here I am! Where can I donate to this site?! I need to support this site. As long as I don't get banned because of baseless lies.

That sounds serious. Can you give us clue who this plagiarist is? That sounds like someone to avoid at all costs.

(10-03-2025, 12:28 AM)NobodySpecial268 Wrote: Reading along here, and reflecting on my own experience on that other forum, I am wondering if it is possible for an AI to be implemented as an artificial moderator to run a forum. That other forum would be the perfect test bed for such a program.  One could say to people that staff don't have access to PMs, while not mentioning the moderator version of an algorithm does.

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ETA: I wonder. In the true conspiracy fashion, imagine if the Artificial Moderator (AM)  was implemented on ATS to compile member profiles from posting history. 

In the end, ATS was so beset with problems that it might not be the perfect place for developing the AM. So build a new forum, and migrate the old 'clean' membership to the new one.

While I think that makes for a good conspiracy, I believe it's better explained by it always being a mistake to give an insecure and inherently dishonest person control over others. Everything that has been problematic, outside their failure to contain a handful of radical agenda posters that spam constant disingenuous dreck, has been because one person has poor impulse control and no regard for ethics when he thinks nobody is looking. It's not a great development when you find out the left-wing apologist and sympathizer, with a well-known history of doxing and sharing private conversations, is secretly monitoring private messages. It's probably worse than it all being an AI simulation, but not nearly as good a story.

I think that auto-modding has been rolled out on larger platforms for a while, no test needed. I don't use social media except for a feed really, but I know many people that have had their content censored by auto-moderator systems before it ever got posted. I think it actually does a lot of heavy lifting on some of the big platforms. A little draconian to use on PMs in a small community financially supported by the very people subjected to the secret police routine.

(10-03-2025, 03:14 AM)Yetigirl Wrote: So here I am! Where can I donate to this site?! I need to support this site. As long as I don't get banned because of baseless lies.

Our lies are always very based.

I kid, of course. We don't do lies and we don't do plagiarism. Obviously, we also don't allow -or make- threats about doxing or calling local law enforcement over Internet drama. I encourage you to report things rather than engage with the source of them here if you see something awry. Trolls should be starved of attention on the rare occasion you cross paths with one.

The site is paid up for ten years and has plenty of bandwidth. The best contribution you can give is thoughtful posts on topics that interest you. A sense of humor, patience, and honesty, are all priceless gifts as well.

Welcome to the site.

(10-03-2025, 06:23 AM)Ksihkehe Wrote: While I think that makes for a good conspiracy, I believe it's better explained by it always being a mistake to give an insecure and inherently dishonest person control over others. Everything that has been problematic, outside their failure to contain a handful of radical agenda posters that spam constant disingenuous dreck, has been because one person has poor impulse control and no regard for ethics when he thinks nobody is looking. It's not a great development when you find out the left-wing apologist and sympathizer, with a well-known history of doxing and sharing private conversations, is secretly monitoring private messages. It's probably worse than it all being an AI simulation, but not nearly as good a story.

I think that auto-modding has been rolled out on larger platforms for a while, no test needed. I don't use social media except for a feed really, but I know many people that have had their content censored by auto-moderator systems before it ever got posted. I think it actually does a lot of heavy lifting on some of the big platforms. A little draconian to use on PMs in a small community financially supported by the very people subjected to the secret police routine.

Oh darn, I thought for just a moment I was on to a new conspiracy. : (

Back to reality: I know what you are saying, and I still have a screenshot of a certain incriminating thread from ATS that was very quickly deleted. Yes, I have been on the receiving end of that person back on ATS. That was in the UFO forum, and not long after proving the aliens innocent of a series of abductions. - Ahh, the good ol' days : )

(10-03-2025, 06:10 AM)Michigan Swampbuck Wrote: That sounds serious. Can you give us clue who this plagiarist is? That sounds like someone to avoid at all costs.

This is a free speech site, but I would strongly caution that bringing in third-party drama by naming specific members of other sites is asking for a lot of problems.

If somebody has found themselves in a position of authority and they're engaging in bad behavior, I see no problem is calling it out. Bringing in random members is... meh. It would be more fair to ask who, in a position of authority, participated in covering up for a plagiarist. I think it's very fair to be asking how much of the moderation is just one person playing lone gunslinger. Threatening a member with doxing and the police sounds like more like lone gunslinger than it does consensus of rational moderation.

People can post what they want, but nobody can say I didn't offer a word of caution on this.

If there is still a documented history of this plagiarism and the smear campaign I'm all for presenting evidence that is in the public's interest. It is in the public's interest to avoid a person that is dishonest, but without the evidence it doesn't land as well and I urge caution.

(10-03-2025, 07:03 AM)Ksihkehe Wrote: This is a free speech site, but I would strongly caution that bringing in third-party drama by naming specific members of other sites is asking for a lot of problems.

Well said.

(10-03-2025, 06:10 AM)Michigan Swampbuck Wrote: That sounds serious. Can you give us clue who this plagiarist is? That sounds like someone to avoid at all costs.

I will name names! If I'm allowed to but I don't want the same thing to happen over here where everybody just loves this person and can't believe the proof that is staring them in the face! I really want to make an entire post with all my archived threads and screenshots and email/discord trail.

It's a "fan favorite" over there that's why i got banned without even being given any opportunity to speak for myself. I was personally shocked to find this and dug deeper and found more and more. Not like......their personal info or anything like that. Just stolen writing and works and other things that are easily verifiable lies.

I documented it all via archive sites, screenshots and backed up emails/discord convos because as soon as i would point something out that was plagiarized or an artist would contact the site to have their work removed whole threads were deleted. the people over there are so dead set on believing this person who is just lying. Pathologically that I gave up. 

I think it's hard for people to believe someone they like has been lying to them for a very long time about very stupid stuff.

Through reading their ATS comment history, it seems like their MO is to catfish people they think are either minorities or unknown and steal their writing and or artwork.

I think this because the person hijacked one of my threads and started posting "their" writing on it too and eventually PM'd me to talk on discord and wouldn't talk on the site anymore (DI) because they told me "PMs are read" so I do think an actual person or people are reading the PMs over there.

One of the artists I contacted to verify the plagiarism said this behavior is "sad and pathetic" lol. I agree.