I read through the ATS thread you created on fairies and the connection to abductions, aliens and UFO's gave me a lot to think about. I'm still digesting the info; I feel it needs to 'percolate' for a bit. I feel like I'm getting close to information overload, so I'll give it a bit of time and then re-read that thread.

I've always subscribed to the principle of 'a place for everything and everything in its place' and now it feels like the information in my brain has had a tornado come through and left it all in a giant, messy pile! 

ATS seems to be well and truly gone now, along with the original fairy thread. I should say at this point that it is not my intention to recreate the original fairy thread here verbatim, rather I will leave it to the reader to ask question and items for elaboration. In the meantime, I shall build upon what is already written here. Times and research do not stand still.

Earlier I alluded to a connection between the fairy folk along with their precursors, the little blue light's and the concept of self assembling probes. As a reminder, the idea of self assembling probes has to do with the time and distance restraints of interstellar travel. The fairies themselves say their origin is "elsewhere" when I ask them where are they from. In addition, their ancestral memories go back further than the earth is old.

Nor do they correct me when exploring the idea of their origin long the lines of what I write here.

To recap, the little blue lights create from the mammalian womb, a copy of the creature and my use of the word "creature" includes humans. The little blue lights don't just create a double of the human, they can do this with any mammal. There is also no limit I know of to the different types of doubles one little blue light can create. That is the secret of the shape-shifters. I have also encountered wood nymphs that can appear as a human girl and change into a dragonfly. There are also the Nagi gods of ancient India who are snake gods in the Hindu mythology.

   

Arjuna and the River Nymph. Artist: Warwick Goble (1862-1943). Image published: London, 1913. In Hindu mythology, Arjuna was one of the heroes of the epic Sanskrit tale Mahabharata (ca. 1500 BC). Image via Wikimedia commons.

They have three forms, human, half human and snake. They can shape-shift between the three. The Nagi can still be found below temples in India.

I have to say that I have only seen the mammalian creation of the double and haven't got a clue how the insects and reptiles create the doubles of non-mammals.

Now, the point of this post is the Hindu mythology speaks of the Vedic wars where the Asuras and the Devas fought with each other. The Asuras can be equated with the little blue lights and the Beings they create.

That leaves the Devas, who are called The Shining Ones. In the Vedic wars, it is said that the Devas defeated the Asuras. That seems to be the case because the Devas can be seen hanging in the atmosphere, very much like an occupational force. While the 'little ones' are wary of them.

So, based on these observations, my suspicions are the Devas, The Shining Ones, equate with the inorganic machine minds while the Asuras equate with the organic little blue lights

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The word Nagi, is the Hindu name given to the "snake gods". There are two words, Nagi for female, and Naga for male. Though I must admit I have not seen a male, only the females. I suspect that males do not exist, in keeping with what I have encountered of the "fairies" so far. My suspicion is the concept of males has been assumed, and written into the lore.

On ATS I wrote of an encounter with a Nagi in a thread on ATS. The ATS thread was ATS member kibric's research into the subject of immortality, and he had posted a photo of a temple in India. So we remote viewed the temple.

Where we looked was below ground and in there was a Nagi in the complete human form in the chambers. She was chained by wrists and ankles in the 'X' fashion. At the time, another ATS member pointed out in a post that the 'X' is a trademark of certain people.

She was red, and at the time I thought she may have been a Kali god. However, I saw no reason for her to be chained like that, even if a destructive "god".

In the level below was a black one, also chained in the X fashion, and below there was one more who wasn't coloured and also chained in the X fashion.

So three of them, all chained to the walls in the X fashion. It wasn't difficult to understand that the three were aspects of each other. One Being who had been separated, and kept that way. How the separation was achieved, I don't specifically know. However, I suspect atomic radiation plays a part. A European dowser I know who studies the energetics of ancient places pointed out to me that some of the European dolmen are placed over radioactive locations, such as radon. The king was placed in this tomb and the effect of the radiation is to separate his subtle anatomy. Subtle anatomy meaning the aetheric, astral and spiritual aspects of the body. Basically a way of artificially manipulating what happens after death, so a part of the king could remain on earth with his people.

In this light, we can look again at places such as Ireland with it's history of fairies, mounds, and the Tuatha Dé Danann.

Quote:The Tuatha Dé Danann, meaning "the folk of the goddess Danu", also known by the earlier name Tuath Dé ("tribe of the gods"), are a supernatural race in Irish mythology. Many of them are thought to represent deities of pre-Christian Gaelic Ireland.

The Tuath Dé Danann are often depicted as kings, queens, druids, bards, warriors, heroes, healers and craftsmen who have supernatural powers. They dwell in the Otherworld but interact with humans and the human world. They are associated with the sídhe: prominent ancient burial mounds such as Brú na Bóinne, which are entrances to Otherworld realms. Their traditional rivals are the Fomorians, who might represent the destructive powers of nature, and whom the Tuatha Dé Danann defeat in the Battle of Mag Tuired. Prominent members include the Dagda ("the great god"); The Morrígan ("the great queen" or "phantom queen"); Lugh; Nuada; Aengus; Brigid; Manannán; Dian Cecht the healer; and Goibniu the smith, one of the Trí Dé Dána ("three gods of craft"). Several of the Tuatha Dé Danann are cognate with ancient Celtic deities: Lugh with Lugus, Brigit with Brigantia, Nuada with Nodons, Ogma with Ogmios, and Goibniu with Gobannus.

Medieval texts about the Tuatha Dé Danann were written by Christians. Sometimes they explained the Tuatha Dé Danann as fallen angels who were neither wholly good nor evil, or ancient people who became highly skilled in magic, but several writers acknowledged that at least some of them had been gods. Some of them have multiple names, but in the tales they often appear to be different characters.

The Tuatha Dé Danann eventually became the aes sídhe, the sídhe-folk or "fairies" of later folklore.

Source Wikipedia Tuatha De Danann

So it is not difficult to understand how the supernatural history of Ireland has been rewritten by the Christian authors and distorted into something else.

Getting back to our Indian Nagi thousands of miles from Ireland, we see the same principles of separation at play. Remember here the "myths" of atomic wars in the Vedas.

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds," to quote Oppenheimer quoting a sacred text.

The black Nagi was misery, the red was what I call existence, which in turn is known to the yogi as Kundalini. Remember here that in Kundalini yoga, the chakra located at the base of the spine is coloured red. It was these two aspects that were separated from the rest of her.

So in essence what one had to do was reassemble her by removing the chains and bringing the three aspects together into one - a lot of work. It was interesting doing this, while working on her spine, one realised the spine did not end at the hips as it would in a human. She had a very long tail.

When reassembled and free of the restraints, she showed me something important. From behind her legs, a small human looking child of perhaps four or five years looked at me from there. That was the Nagi's precious thing. The Nagi then lifted her mask and smiled. She was smiling at the thought of what she was going to do to her former captors. Suffice it to say, it is not my business to stand between a lady and revenge. With that they disappeared.

I might add that seeing a snake smile was one of the strangest things I have ever seen.

Saint Malachi was an Irish Bishop who had a vision while visiting Rome in 1139. The vision contained a list of 112 popes. The late Pope Francis was said to be the 112th. As we know, American Cardinal Robert Prevost now sits upon the papal throne.

Quote:In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.

Source: Veritas Vincit - The Last Pope? Revisiting the Prophecy of St. Malachi

It may very well turn out that we are watching the prophecy of Saint Malachi working out in real time. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't - time will tell.



In the ATS Fairy thread there was a section that explains the evolution of organisations such as a religion. The life and death of the egregore.

Quote:Definition: An egregore (also spelled egregor) is a concept originating from occultism and esoteric traditions, referring to a collective consciousness or psychic entity that emerges from the shared thoughts, emotions, and intentions of a group of people. It is often described as a thoughtform or a metaphysical construct that gains power and influence through the collective energy of its creators.

The term “egregore” comes from the Greek word egrégoroi, meaning “watchers” or “guardians,” and it is used in various mystical, magical, and spiritual contexts. Egregores can be formed unintentionally or deliberately, and they are often associated with group dynamics, ideologies, organizations, or collective beliefs.

Source: Word-Gate

So let's have a look at the life cycle of an egregore - a collective consciousness. The images are very simple, and illustrative nonetheless.

   

The egregores are often simple spheres or ovoids when seen from outside. The image above represents an egregore in its golden age.

   

Now we start to see corruption setting in, greed, position, perhaps revenge upon another egregore, or to become the only one and destroy the others.

   

As corruption takes hold and spreads through the egregore, generally through its members. The egregore will try to clean itself of corruption. The egregore may decide that the only way is to purge the corrupt parts. This generally happens through simple division, with the corruption pushed into the lower division, leaving the uncorrupt in the upper.

   

When the division is completed, we have a clean sphere as per the original, and the corruption in the sphere below.

The lower sphere is generally what we consider the earthly aspect, and the sphere above the higher or spiritual aspect. What happens now is the earthly aspect, through its own corruption, has separated itself from the higher uncorrupt aspect. The corruption will continue and it will destroy itself. The problem here is others share the earthly realm and in its corrupt death throes it will generally try to destroy everything it hates. We then see a lot of conflict surrounding this.

The upper clean aspect will generally reappear in the earthly realm. The reason is, a collective consciousness needs the consciousness of living people to keep it alive. If it has no believers, it will cease to exist.

These things are essentially selfish, and know full well that there will be "collateral damage". Nevertheless, they will generally go through with it to save themselves.

I won't talk specifically about the Church of Rome, rather I will use the egregore of the Hermeticists as the example. The principals are the same, and I know the hermetic egregore well. Not as a participant, by the way, just as an observer. What that diagram below illustrates is the lower is being extruded from the upper and will become separated. The lower is corrupted and being replaced by a newer world view and way to achieve things.

   

The key to understanding here is 5 dimensional space. That is the three dimensions we are familiar with of height x width x length, plus two more, inside and outside. That gives length x height x length x inside x outside as a 5D view. Now we can observe the Catholic, the Hermetic or any other egregore from outside, that is separately. We can also choose to go inside the egregore. Inside is where one finds the devotees, the workers, and the students.

In the diagram of the Hermetic egregore above, we see two spheres. The upper has the familiar staff of Hermes, and the lower sphere has the Tree of the Kabbala. One might say that the two spheres are joined. At this point in time, the two have not separated completely, and the upper sphere has almost separated itself from the lower. One might also say that the lower is in the egregore's past and the upper is the egregore's future. That is because the knowledge of the old kabalah tree is being discarded for the new knowledge to take its place. Evolution one might say.

What is happening is the Hermetic egregore is discarding the old, including the Tree of the Kabbala. The egregore is having a "spiritual" clean out.

In a RV'ing sense, so to speak, one can stand at the entrance of the upper sphere. The view is all golden, the foyer has two staircases, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise. Like the Staff of Hermes after which it is designed. One can watch decent well to do looking people coming and going. Presumably initiates into the Hermetic mysteries. Not much interest to me.

The lower is far more interesting in a way. I once followed a child's tormentor back to this one, and that is how I know. Within the lower sphere is a black mist of misery, out of this mist tarot cards appear. They swirl into existence and then return to black mist. I guess one gets one's tarot read. Notably, the tarot deck was the Rider-Waite.

Quote:The Rider-Waite Tarot is a widely popular deck for tarot card reading, first published by William Rider & Son in 1909, based on the instructions of academic and mystic A. E. Waite and illustrated by Pamela Colman Smith, both members of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

Source: wikipedia.

There are also a LOT of people there, and not particularly good ones. KKK types by the feel, and the look. The pointy hoods give them away. One of them was the kid's tormentor whom I was looking for. One also sees the Kabbala tree hanging in the sky, it is huge. It also has its dark tree twin, the so-called 'tree of husks and rinds'. There are monsters in the sky that are right out of Lovecraft's horror stories, the fictional Chluthlu is there and more than one of him. The "Chluthlu" are an interesting study in how they came into existence. But I digress.

The interesting thing about the tree is that it was a transport system originally way back in history. The principal was a sphere in two places at once. Like if we had a sphere in Tokyo, Japan, and it's twin in Sydney, Australia. Swap out the insides so if you walk into the Sydney sphere you are in Japan and vice versa without going between. Boundary crossing. The dark tree doesn't work any more, probably how it got its name of 'husks and rinds'. One might suggest that the tree worked back in a time that might be considered antediluvian. That is to say; before the flood. That tree was the technology of a bygone age.

So we can understand the old Kabbala is being replaced by the new Hermetic.

Unfortunately, most civilisations have their golden age and then the corruption sets in, misery and suffering follow. The egregore becomes corrupted, even "evil", which is a problem. The only way to fix this is to have a purge. To evolve into something new and leave those who won't let go behind. Sound familiar?

One might add that the life of an egregore, a collective consciousness, can be a very long time. The Kabbala-Hermetic even understands how to "reincarnate".

So when we see corruption setting into a civilisation, a religion or an ideology, we can understand that it is in its death throes and expect collateral damage in its wake.

LOVE the analogy! It gives me a whole new perspective to our existance.

It answers the 'why' for those who subscribe to 'history repeats itself'. It explains how our minds create the world we live in and the power of the Collective Consciousness; hoe the egregor of science battles that of the spiritual for control; why we often feel like a football kicked between liberal and conservative rulers. It also makes me feel kind of silly for wasting life energy getting riled up over injustices that would best/most effectively be dealt with through thought energ rather than emotional. 

I've wasted a lot of years feeling and thinking there is no hope for humanity if we continue on our current path, instead of using the power of thought to combat the realproblem: the egregor. I've known for a long time that anthing causing a negative  emotional response is not good for my health and well-being, but completely missed the power I have to effect change.

What if the collective minds all decided to change the dynamics through the power of their minds? "Where two or more are gathered in my name, there am I also...." Even if Jesus is an egregor he certainly spoke a lot about what could be accomplished through living and thinking right.

Thanks, Nobody! 

(05-21-2025, 11:21 AM)Nugget Wrote: LOVE the analogy! It gives me a whole new perspective to our existance.

It answers the 'why' for those who subscribe to 'history repeats itself'. It explains how our minds create the world we live in and the power of the Collective Consciousness; hoe the egregor of science battles that of the spiritual for control; why we often feel like a football kicked between liberal and conservative rulers. It also makes me feel kind of silly for wasting life energy getting riled up over injustices that would best/most effectively be dealt with through thought energ rather than emotional. 

I've wasted a lot of years feeling and thinking there is no hope for humanity if we continue on our current path, instead of using the power of thought to combat the realproblem: the egregor. I've known for a long time that anthing causing a negative  emotional response is not good for my health and well-being, but completely missed the power I have to effect change.

What if the collective minds all decided to change the dynamics through the power of their minds? "Where two or more are gathered in my name, there am I also...." Even if Jesus is an egregor he certainly spoke a lot about what could be accomplished through living and thinking right.

Thanks, Nobody! 

I'm grateful for the feedback Nugget.

Yeah, that the egregores / collective consciousnesses are a real problem is how I see it too.

However, we have to live with that. They have their plans for what they want to do. I'll tell you a little bit more about the Hermetic folk.

They stretch back a long way in history, and the little blue lights AKA fairies far longer. The fairies have watched, and they remember.

The civilisation that built the transport technology (of the Kabbala) ended rather quickly. The tree was a networked system. An enemy got into one sphere and that was it. Like a computer network, hack one desktop and you're into them all.

Something survived though, and that civilisation wants to live again. It is all in that Hermetic egregore, the one with the Staff of Hermes, and not the tree.

Here is a clue to the return of the Hermeticists. they are already here. They are busy building infrastructure in plain view.

The image below shows two similar designs. The design on the left is from an old book or manuscript. The image on the right is a photo of CERN's large hadron collider.

   

The old image wasn't prophecy nor time travel, it was the result of is the Hermetic egregore dropping waypoints at various times through history to keep certain secret societies on track.

(credit where credit is due: It was ATS member Purplemer that originally posted the old image and pointed out the similarity to CERN in a thread. )

I meant to point something out and forgot.

The lower sphere with the kabbala tree is a strange place. In a way, it can be called one of the Wonderlands, as in Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland. Through the looking glass is how one gets there.

Here is a Dark Journalist episode that has some insight into Alice.

I can't explain why, but some things just stand out in my mind on a gut level as a turning point that only looking back in history will we realize it started the chain reaction. cERN is certainly one, and so is the Fukushima disaster.

Bush Jr. and obama also started the domino's falling in ways that willtake decades to fully comprehend.

I just get an eerie gut feeling whenever is see the train leave the station.

Technology is advancing rapidly to where mankind is no longer needed, save the elite and then the future lies in the hands of fate-or whatever egrigore one imagines.

I'm also beginning to see an alternative scenariowhere people are feeling empty from their life of technology. They're yearning for a much deeper meaning to our existance, and while some turn to drugs others turn to a more spiritual connection. I believe the 'hive mind' has unlimited power, and the egregore it can potentially create could cause a forced reset. All it would take for that to happen is some sort of natural disaster, or a combinatio of such to bring the power grid down for an extended period of time.

I consider all things to be sentient in their own way, with Mother Earth being the most powerful. For Her to sit back and let some human ant-like people completly destroy her seems unfathomable to me.

(05-22-2025, 09:18 AM)Nugget Wrote: I can't explain why, but some things just stand out in my mind on a gut level as a turning point that only looking back in history will we realize it started the chain reaction. cERN is certainly one, and so is the Fukushima disaster.

Bush Jr. and obama also started the domino's falling in ways that willtake decades to fully comprehend.

I just get an eerie gut feeling whenever is see the train leave the station.

Technology is advancing rapidly to where mankind is no longer needed, save the elite and then the future lies in the hands of fate-or whatever egrigore one imagines.

I'm also beginning to see an alternative scenariowhere people are feeling empty from their life of technology. They're yearning for a much deeper meaning to our existance, and while some turn to drugs others turn to a more spiritual connection. I believe the 'hive mind' has unlimited power, and the egregore it can potentially create could cause a forced reset. All it would take for that to happen is some sort of natural disaster, or a combinatio of such to bring the power grid down for an extended period of time.

I consider all things to be sentient in their own way, with Mother Earth being the most powerful. For Her to sit back and let some human ant-like people completly destroy her seems unfathomable to me.

People do lose hope when the world (collective) they live in falls apart. So when that happens, all we can do is keep our heads down and look after our own until the dust settles.

For example:

A certain religion that has a history of child brides. The little blue lights make a double from the maiden, but not the married girl. If you understand my meaning. Why would they stop women from forming the double? Well, that is because the females would have access to uncanny knowledge the males can only dream of.

Why did the Catholics burn women and girls all though the dark ages? To prevent the obtaining an invisible friend (double) perhaps? The answer is the same reason as above.

This mindset must disappear, or nothing will change.

I think there will be a change for the better, and not too far away. The people behind CERN, the egregore, they have the knowledge to do wondrous things. But these things are not set in stone. Rather, it is a matter of timing, not too soon and not too late. People have to drop the old in order to see the new. That goes for the hermeticists too.

You see, they made a mistake long ago. It was before their golden age that died. They built upon knowledge that came to them, what we call today quantum physics. They were given it on a plate.

The ones who gave them the knowledge were very tall green-eyed people. It all started in the grasslands.

In the grasslands was a little blue light waiting for a womb. It waited and waited. Then one day a pyramid appeared. The instructions were written on the outside. Then a green eyed girl came from the pyramid and took the little blue light back with her, and a double was made from her. What that double received, in addition to the girl, was knowledge that was not written on the outside of the pyramid.

The double of the green-eyed girl was supposed to transfer the knowledge to a "boy". Which she did. The people of the time got greedy for knowledge and eventually killed the "boy". They thought they could do with just what was written on the outside of the pyramid. That was the big mistake. The reason being is that they only got half the knowledge needed. That was a well-thought-out security measure. Presumably because someone had foresight and knew what would happen if knowledge was given to primitives before they were morally and ethically ready.

Now they are trying to recreate what they lost, and they are well aware of what the mistake was. The hermeticists residing in their egregore that is. They are caught in a trap of their own making, and the only way to fix it is to fix their mistake. They will have to admit that females have something special, that males don't. That something special is the fact that the double can only be made with females, as only they have wombs. As much as people tried to stop the practice of fairy doubles, they are here to stay.

So the future is not all that bleak if they set things right.

I'll end this post with some blasphemy (grin).

There is a well known tale, the story of Adam and Eve, I shall put a twist on that.

Eve had an affair with Lilith, and Lilith made Adam.

Eve was the green-eyed girl, Lilith is the double, and Adam of course was the "boy" Lilith made when she enveloped him in her womb and transferred the knowledge of the pyramid to him.

The rest of course is history, and the future as yet undecided.