(06-27-2025, 08:56 AM)MykeNukem Wrote: Sitting here having my coffee trying to weigh up who the good guy is, Iran or NATO ..

Still figurin'

Trump spoke no truer words than saying Israel and Iran have been fighting too long.

. . . and NATO seems to have a "napkin" problem. Even the Italian girl looked suspicious at the NATO news interview.

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

Oh look, here is another one. . .

Z smashes world record of how many times one can sniff at a press conference.

These are doing the rounds on VK, a Russian altrnative version of YouTube, "obviously" propaganda

(06-27-2025, 01:55 AM)NobodySpecial268 Wrote: I see NATO is panicking about Iran leaving the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Well now . . .

The elephant in the room of course is Israel isn't a signatory to that treaty either, and won't let the international inspectors anywhere near their nuclear facilities.

Elementary school teacher: Can we say the word "double-standards" boys and girls?

Oh, but it's so much more than just that!  "Elephant" indeed!

Israel has refrained from ratifying a whole bunch of stuff over the years since 1948.  They somehow think the International rules don't apply to them.  Now, if one were to ask me about the significance of the UN, in terms of real enforcement, I might sort of agree.  The UN is mostly symbolic, a giant bureaucracy which exists solely for the purposes and sake of 'bureaucracy'.  If you think about it, the UN reminds you of a modern day 'participation trophy'.  It offers obscure radical little nations the opportunity to feel like they're relevant, like they're actually participating on the international stage.  One look at Rwanda (and countless other places) where the UN was brought in to 'solve' things but in reality just illustrated their absolute worthlessness to anyone who cared to look.  The UN is a perfect example of what I call "Analysis Paralysis".  And it's far worse today than it was shortly after their creation.  The fact they were able to get the 1947 Partition Resolution for Palestine out the door at all is truly a miracle.  Today this would not be possible.  Of course, the Partition Plan did follow the guidelines set out in the 1922 League of Nations declaration of Mandatory Palestine (or the 'Mandate for Palestine') which was in effect from 1922 until 1948.  So, they had something to follow as a guideline; it's not like they came up with that themselves.  (That would have never happened).

Even more alarming than probably about any other single example one could cite about double standards is Israel's infiltration of the world's non-Arab mainstream media for the purposes of propaganda and Israel's self aggrandization.  It is truly staggering.  Not to mention their infiltration of the US government policy making (among numerous other countries).  This media infiltration was (and is) a plan orchestrated over the past eighty years (since 1945) by Israel, so it's not something which happened overnight.  They were bright enough to realize (even back then) that if they controlled the media, then they controlled public opinion.  With the media fully in their pocket today they can play the ace in their Ace-King hand of..."We're the victim!"...on the World Blackjack table.  They realized a long time ago when they saw how much political mileage they were getting from the Holocaust (yes, I said that horrific word which Israel has been successful prohibiting the use of unless they're the ones using it, and it means something free, or a 'get out of jail free' card, for Israel.) and just how effective it was being able to play the professional 'victim' on the World stage.  Today they've gone far beyond this and use it as an excuse to mount what effectively amounts to Apartheid across the region (under the guise of being the permanent victim).  (Phew, and 'Apartheid' and 'Holocaust' in the same paragraph no less!!!).  I don't mean to make light of either of those two events in history (at all).  The Holocaust was a horrific, murderous, wanton and forever inexcusable violation of humanity which absolutely should serve as a black mark on human history, forever. And, the Jewish people were a direct victim of this unfathomable atrocity, no argument.  And, though not on the same scale, Apartheid in South Africa was also a pox on human history.  But one might wonder how 'Apartheid' fits into this discussion(?).  Well, if you step back and look at the whole 'big picture'; the behavior of Israel, Netanyahu in particular, is not just similar to the events of South Africa's Apartheid...it is identical.  Netanyahu has followed the Apartheid history as a rule book for how to get rid of the Palestinians.  And the only way they ever would have gotten away with not being called out for exactly this is directly due to their power and influence over the mainstream media.  (full circle back to the beginning of this section).  So, it all connects the 'dots' together...in Israel's favor...as usual.

It's a shame, but I feel like I always have to include the following disclaimer whenever I try to explain this kind of stuff.  And that disclaimer is...Please do not take my views on Netanyahu and the IDF as being antisemitic or pro-Arab; nothing could be further from the truth.  Islamic extremism and terrorism are intolerable by any standard and have no place in civilized society...ever.  However, these are two separate discussions (i.e. the wrongs of Israel, versus the wrongs of the Arab world's tolerance, support and encouragement of terrorism).  Israel has carefully manipulated the world media and public opinion in such a way so as to allow them to join these two different subjects into one single subject, making it so you cannot condemn one without appearing to support the other (and vice versa).  This is NOT the case!  But this is by design on Israel's behalf.  It is exactly the condition they want...make any critical allegation against Israel and immediately be branded antisemitic (thus a Holocaust denier) and a rabid terrorist sympathizer.  It's a very convenient posture (for Israel), and one which makes it next to impossible to have any coherent discussion on anything critical of Israel.  But only one party can be successful (credible) at constructing such an defense, and this is 'the victim' of the very same.  Sadly though, Netanyahu and his cronies have worn out the public's contempt for the word 'Holocaust' through over-usage every time they get backed into a corner such that it has now turned into public apathy.

On a related side note here, I think if I were a Holocaust survivor or the direct descendant of one (which I am not), I would be none too happy about Israel leadership's use of the word for political gain in areas not directly related to the Holocaust itself at every and any given opportunity.  And, when you think about it, how many times have we all seen Netanyahu and/or his minions mention the "Holocaust" as a defense in virtually any public statement where Israel or the IDF have been involved in some sort of an incident and are defending their actions?

So, in the end, it's not just about Israel and nuclear weapons and double standards, but virtually any subject which questions Israel's behavior, in any way.  And, not to dwell on the nuke subject too much (but to dwell on it a little further).  If you want to read some really egregious examples of Israel and nukes, just look into how Israel acquired them initially and who was involved.  Without going into great detail, Israel wasn't permitted to have nukes, just like every other non-nuclear nation on the planet at the time when the non-proliferation agreements were signed into international law.  Yet they acquired them anyway.  And, contrary to many people's beliefs, this acquisition was NOT a result of the US willingly supplying these devices to Israel.  Quite the contrary in fact.  The US, up through and beyond the Kennedy and Nixon administrations, repeatedly warned Israel they would not be permitted to develop nuclear facilities beyond those to be used for peaceful purposes such as power generation.  (Note - Each sentence in this section could be accompanied by lengthy expansion, so I am summarizing at a high level for the sake of brevity.)  In a very, very, long sequence of events (made short here), proof of Israel's having possession of active nukes was the result of a unauthorized testing event in the Southern Ocean in 1979 (between South Africa and Antarctica).  This event is known as the "Vela Incident" (if you'd like to learn more).  In short, the US had launched a series of satellites between 1963 and 1970 known as the "Vela Project".  There were (12) satellites in all, and their purpose was principally to detect Soviet violations of the 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty by detecting nuclear detonations anyplace on Earth.  On Sept 22nd 1979, one of the satellites in the Vela constellation, satellite 'Vela 5B', detected a double flash out in the middle of the Southern Ocean between South Africa and Antarctica, and between the Southern Ocean islands of Crozet and Prince Edward Island (east to west).  Despite repeated denials by Israel, researchers in the following years determined this was almost certainly evidence of a nuclear above ground test conducted as part of a joint venture between Israel and South Africa.  Despite being rumored to have nuclear weapons capability before this, the Vela Incident provided proof of Israel actually having possession of operational nukes...against the wishes of the US and all other nuclear nations.  (And note - You should find irony in the 'coincidence' (or lack thereof) with my references to Apartheid and Israel's curious partnership with South Africa, in violation of virtually every weapons treaty on earth, in acquiring nukes.  Dontcha' think?)  Pretty ironic, especially considering if one levels the criticism of Israel's actions against Palestinians as being similar to those of South Africa's Apartheid, those same individuals are immediately branded "antisemitic" and "terrorist sympathizer".  Yet, in the exact same breath, Israel does not waste one second in using the 'Holocaust' as their justification for needing nuclear weapons!  In fact, there are too numerous to mention documented examples of Israel publicly stating that they should be entitled to nuclear weapons in order to prevent "another Holocaust" and/or the "Holocaust 2.0".

My apologies for the lengthy diatribe here, but you mentioned NATO panicking, international inspectors not being allowed to inspect any Israeli facilities for nuclear weapons, and 'double-standards' with respect to Israeli behavior.  And it's so much more than just this.  Each one of those subjects is worthy of entire full-length books being written about each one (which I have tried to avoid doing here, albeit still a lengthy post).  Your statements are more true than you will ever know...in spades even!  I have just tried to point out just how deep this rabbit hole really goes.  And, similar to many subjects where one could make a statement suggesting Israel is given the benefit of double standards, all three of your subjects are very deep rabbit holes indeed.

(06-27-2025, 09:55 AM)NobodySpecial268 Wrote: Trump spoke no truer words than saying Israel and Iran have been fighting too long.

. . . and NATO seems to have a "napkin" problem. Even the Italian girl looked suspicious at the NATO news interview.

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

Oh look, here is another one. . .

Z smashes world record of how many times one can sniff at a press conference.

These are doing the rounds on VK, a Russian altrnative version of YouTube, "obviously" propaganda 

Z?

Oh, you mean 'Nostrildamus' 



Yes, unless it's our bullshit, it's bullshit ..

NobodySpecial..."Cocaine is a helluva drug!"

(in the immortal words of the fabled Rick James.  Because..."I'm Rick James, BITCH!!")

edit - And if anyone is wondering where this came from...it was from a Dave Chapel comedy special which contained a regular segment called "Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories" wherein he did a byline on his and his brother's (Eddie Murphy) relationship with the 80's R&B star, Rick James. Chapel is a really funny guy under any circumstances, and the Dave Chapel show was even funnier still, but the sketch (now nearly impossible to find uncut) about Rick James is one of the funnier sketches I've ever seen concerning the life and times of James.

If you don't believe Israel's commanding influence over public opinion...

Did you ever wonder why virtually every spell checker on planet Earth has the correct spelling for virtually every well known state figure or leader, every president, every Prime Minister, every King, etc.  Not to mention every Senator, Congress person, Cabinet member, ad nauseum.  BUT those very same spell checkers will say you've misspelled "Netanyahu" every single time? 

Just try to go find a spell checker which doesn't have the correct spelling for every famous World leader.  Then go try to find any one of those spell checkers which will allow you to write "Netanyahu" without trying to tell you you've misspelled it.  You won't find one.

That's not just a "coincidence". 

They want to force you to either omit his name (for fear you have misspelled it) or use a different word (so he is not named).

(06-24-2025, 05:58 PM)NobodySpecial268 Wrote: I see Mr Trump used the F-word saying both Iran and Israel have been fighting so long they have lost the plot.

Quite unbecoming of a head of state to use the F-word . . .

Very candidly, with as screwed up as politicians have made this country (intentionally), if I was president I don't think I could utter a complete sentence withOUT saying the word "Fuck" in some tense or other.  Either with an "er" at the end (probably a LOT of those), and likely preceded by "Mother", as well as, "ing" as a suffix, or just alone as an expression of utter exasperation (often repeated several times in a row, with multiple different tenses after each).  Certainly, "ed" would be an oft used suffix also, as would "s" for the plural version.  Then there's the context; it would be used as a question, a statement of fact, a verb (lots and lots of F-verbs).  In fact, "Fuck" is by far the most utilitarian word in the English language.  It also translates well into just about every other foreign language.

It can be used to give people directions, instructions and to provide aid.  It can be a reward.  It can be a challenge.

Probably not makin' a lot of friends with some of these posts, but you know what?  Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

(06-27-2025, 10:38 AM)MykeNukem Wrote: Z?

Oh, you mean 'Nostrildamus' 

Yes. The Narcoführer . . .

(06-27-2025, 12:34 PM)FCD Wrote: Very candidly, with as screwed up as politicians have made this country (intentionally), if I was president I don't think I could utter a complete sentence withOUT saying the word "Fuck" in some tense or other.  Either with an "er" at the end (probably a LOT of those), and likely preceded by "Mother", as well as, "ing" as a suffix, or just alone as an expression of utter exasperation (often repeated several times in a row, with multiple different tenses after each).  Certainly, "ed" would be an oft used suffix also, as would "s" for the plural version.  Then there's the context; it would be used as a question, a statement of fact, a verb (lots and lots of F-verbs).  In fact, "Fuck" is by far the most utilitarian word in the English language.  It also translates well into just about every other foreign language.

It can be used to give people directions, instructions and to provide aid.  It can be a reward.  It can be a challenge.

biden was noted for dropping the 'F' bomb, but it was usually on hot mics. So have a lot of political figures, but since it wasn't meant to be heard by the public they get a pass for manners, decorum, etc. which somehow makes them above people who don't hide behind a facade. The 'F' word has become almost as common place in today's world as 'the', 'and', 'to', etc.  It used to botther me to hear peple pepper their speech with 'colorful' language until I realized I choose what I allow to bother me.  I'm only in control and responsible for my own behavior and I'm the only one I need to remain true to.

Why people feel someone who isn't being two-faced is is unbecominng of their position in life is hard for me to comprehend. We're so thin skinned now days you can't discuss anything publicly without upsetting half the people.

Trump spews a bbunch of dumb stuff, but in this instance I don't blame him. He showed the wrld just how upset he was with one of the foulest words one can use, and I feel the same way.

Why the world sucks up to Isreal has puzzled me for many years. It's actually because of Israel and their obvious corruption that I began to research the true origins of religion, and unlike 'devout Christains' I've come to see Israel as everything the Antichrist is supposed to personify. 

Just my personal opinion and conclusions; eveyrone has a choice whether or not to be upset at my right to speak my mind. 

(06-27-2025, 06:50 PM)FCD Wrote: Probably not makin' a lot of friends with some of these posts, but you know what?  Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

Exactly. I DGAF whether I agree with you or not, I condone that. That's what this is all about. 

(06-27-2025, 11:30 PM)Nugget Wrote: Just my personal opinion and conclusions; everyone has a choice whether or not to be upset at my right to speak my mind. 

Bingo.