(10-03-2025, 07:40 AM)Myke Wrote: Sorry to hear about all that.

I don't accept donations, this is a passion project.

Welcome aboard 

What?!@?!?!


What am I to do with all these banana peels then??


Oh, yea, the topic.  DI.  Where all the worst parts of ATS joined together to create a bubble immune from logic, reason or any notion of divergent ideas.

(10-03-2025, 07:30 PM)JinMI Wrote: Oh, yea, the topic.  DI.  Where all the worst parts of ATS joined together to create a bubble immune from logic, reason or any notion of divergent ideas.

Di that other site is a good thing, it keeps the riff raff all in one place and away from here.

Kinda like a cat litter box.

(10-03-2025, 08:51 PM)NobodySpecial268 Wrote: Di that other site is a good thing, it keeps the riff raff all in one place and away from here.

Kinda like a cat  litter box.

Meh.  

I'm a fan of wide open debate and discourse.

(10-03-2025, 07:30 PM)JinMI Wrote: What?!@?!?!


What am I to do with all these banana peels then??

This is the last time I'm f'n dancing for the banana peels ..

K, let's get this over with .. ffs.

 

Quote:Oh, yea, the topic.  DI.  Where all the worst parts of ATS joined together to create a bubble immune from logic, reason or any notion of divergent ideas.

Oh, you've heard of it? LOL

I don't blame the members, I blame the little weasel running the place, he's a   but, then again, at some point if you have an ounce of integrity or awareness you say 'WTF am I supporting?' ..

(10-03-2025, 09:05 PM)Myke Wrote: This is the last time I'm f'n dancing for the banana peels ..

K, let's get this over with .. ffs.

 


Oh, you've heard of it? LOL

I don't blame the members, I blame the little weasel running the place, he's a   but, then again, at some point if you have an ounce of integrity or awareness you say 'WTF am I supporting?' ..

Woot, Canakistan pole dancing!

All the members?  No, of course not.  Just the clowns running it.  I was banned pretty quick way back when, then recently.    Guess my musings are abit too transparent.  =(

(10-03-2025, 07:30 PM)JinMI Wrote: What?!@?!?!


What am I to do with all these banana peels then??


Oh, yea, the topic.  DI.  Where all the worst parts of ATS joined together to create a bubble immune from logic, reason or any notion of divergent ideas.

Liberal activists are so delusional now that they're unable to take in information that is to their benefit if it reflects an aspect of frank reality that they don't like. It's been well known for years that acetaminophen is a disproportionately significant contributor to deaths and injuries compared to other OTC medications and has one of the worst therapy to harm dosage ratios of any OTC drug. Informing liberals of that had them chugging bottles of it for likes on social media. They don't need to look at the data, decades of data, they just need to know who says Tylenol is dangerous to know it's wrong. Those are the most extreme cases, but good luck finding a liberal activist that can discuss the topic in the context of data and science. It's just political drivel and cognitive blinders.

It's like a disabling form of acquired autism.

DI is on the accelerated ATS timeline. Every big intervention that doesn't address the half dozen activist agitators that intentionally -or compulsively- spam disingenuous engagement will make the issues worse. You can't just change an URL or the words on a page banner and expect it to change how emotionally stunted retards or toxic trolls post. You have to address the emotionally stunted retards being toxic, very directly, and the rest of the problems mostly care of themselves.

Of course when the owner of the site shares in the same delusions as the primary offenders, good luck with that.

Chiefsmom has pretty much no history of violating rules willfully and barely any history of breaking the rules at all. Several members of DI that are part of the problematic cohort have abused the rules quite willfully and routinely for years. The idea that linking to other sites, which is pretty much the only way small sites survive, is an insta-ban is fucking absurd. Every site on the Internet now has embedding and linking as integral parts of the experience. Building moats around your social site is the kind of retarded thing they did during the early dotcom wars. The "recruitment" was a pretext for banning her, the real reason was that she is an outspoken "right-wing extremist" and no public service announcement will make me believe otherwise. The person data mining got a warning for a far more sketchy thing posted publicly, a person that showed up with no history on the site. Chiefsmom was a well-liked member of ATS for quite some time and got no warning over sharing a link in a private message.

I'm glad it's not my problem to solve. Our expectations are simple and they don't change depending on who is posting or where they post it.

(10-03-2025, 10:12 PM)Ksihkehe Wrote: Liberal activists are so delusional now that they're unable to take in information that is to their benefit if it reflects an aspect of frank reality that they don't like. It's been well known for years that acetaminophen is a disproportionately significant contributor to deaths and injuries compared to other OTC medications and has one of the worst therapy to harm dosage ratios of any OTC drug. Informing liberals of that had them chugging bottles of it for likes on social media. They don't need to look at the data, decades of data, they just need to know who says Tylenol is dangerous to know it's wrong. Those are the most extreme cases, but good luck finding a liberal activist that can discuss the topic in the context of data and science. It's just political drivel and cognitive blinders.

It's like a disabling form of acquired autism.

DI is on the accelerated ATS timeline. Every big intervention that doesn't address the half dozen activist agitators that intentionally -or compulsively- spam disingenuous engagement will make the issues worse. You can't just change an URL or the words on a page banner and expect it to change how emotionally stunted retards or toxic trolls post. You have to address the emotionally stunted retards being toxic, very directly, and the rest of the problems mostly care of themselves.

Of course when the owner of the site shares in the same delusions as the primary offenders, good luck with that.

Chiefsmom has pretty much no history of violating rules willfully and barely any history of breaking the rules at all. Several members of DI that are part of the problematic cohort have abused the rules quite willfully and routinely for years. The idea that linking to other sites, which is pretty much the only way small sites survive, is an insta-ban is fucking absurd. Every site on the Internet now has embedding and linking as integral parts of the experience. Building moats around your social site is the kind of retarded thing they did during the early dotcom wars. The "recruitment" was a pretext for banning her, the real reason was that she is an outspoken "right-wing extremist" and no public service announcement will make me believe otherwise. The person data mining got a warning for a far more sketchy thing posted publicly, a person that showed up with no history on the site. Chiefsmom was a well-liked member of ATS for quite some time and got no warning over sharing a link in a private message.

I'm glad it's not my problem to solve. Our expectations are simple and they don't change depending on who is posting or where they post it.

We can (and have) bantered on for days of the misguided politics behind the curtain of those sites. 

However what seems to be new here is exactly as you eluded to which would be the lack of an appeal process in conjunction with posting history.  Especially with CM who seems as honest as they come.  Everything to the right of Marx is extreme and must be silence.  

Do they ever ponder having better ideas, notions or dare to crack a history book? 

Methinks not.

(10-03-2025, 10:33 PM)JinMI Wrote: We can (and have) bantered on for days of the misguided politics behind the curtain of those sites. 

However what seems to be new here is exactly as you eluded to which would be the lack of an appeal process in conjunction with posting history.  Especially with CM who seems as honest as they come.  Everything to the right of Marx is extreme and must be silence.  

Do they ever ponder having better ideas, notions or dare to crack a history book? 

Methinks not.

I hadn't thought of an appeal process for banned individuals. All that T&C post said was automatic termination for said offense and "no trusting a person" after that implying there can be no appeal.

That is very extreme and authoritarian. I suspect they are diligent about IP addresses and VPNs if they are monitoring private messages for offenses. That whole deal gives me the creeps the more I think about it.

I would think that the private messages are private and only need to be looked at when someone makes a serious complaint involving threats and harassment. I thought that private actually means private, obviously not at D.I. it appears.

(10-04-2025, 10:51 AM)Michigan Swampbuck Wrote: I hadn't thought of an appeal process for banned individuals. All that T&C post said was automatic termination for said offense and "no trusting a person" after that implying there can be no appeal.

Rules for thee... not for he.

Sharing a link to other sites, Cypherage specifically, is an unforgivable offense and those that do so can never be trusted again only in a deranged mind. Doxing the owners of ATS, sharing private communications from Simon, and using code exploits to maliciously manipulate user data, are apparently all offenses TSK feels are forgivable... when he does them. In fact, when he does them they aren't even offenses and there is no need to even acknowledge them or ask forgiveness. It's like secret surveillance and logging of private messages, only bad if somebody else does it. He, like many others, is a fake free speech advocate. They say they are because it makes them sound righteous, but they don't practice it because it's easier to LARP as a champion of free speech than to actually be one once you have control over what others can say.

Like all people that feel deeply insecure about holding on to their ill-gotten power or influence, about losing the unearned clout that power and influence provide even in the absence of meritorious behavior, there is no violation of trust or authoritarian tactic too unethical for them to employ in maintaining it. There is always an excuse why it's okay this time, just one little exception. It is deep insecurity that set up censored words and logs of private messages. It is deep insecurity that typed out "cypherage" in a list of words people aren't allowed to share in private. It is deep insecurity that labels once loyal community members as irredeemable and not worthy of trust over frivolous violations of rules they didn't even know.

My guess is that not a single person in a position of authority, those given years of trust by thousands of members, will come forward to denounce the secret logging and censorship of private messages. If they knew about it and were silent, it's far too shameful to admit now. If they just found out about it there will be no attempt to excuse it either, because they all know that there is no excuse. There is only silently ignoring that gross violation of the membership's trust or doing the right thing and angering the dishonest person responsible for those violations.

   

The idea that a member innocently violating a rule they didn't know somehow makes them irredeemably untrustworthy and has to result in an instant permeant ban after many years of honest engagement is ludicrous. It's pure projection and the whole announcement post is a childish effort at gaslighting anyone that might have learned about the secret spying.

lol, no